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Isis Dea
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Posted - 2013.09.20 15:36:00 -
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Guys, there's a prospect we're overlooking. It is entirely possible to reconfigure DUST implants for capsuleer/baseliner use. Common sense would say you can use the brain spike remotely via DUST implants, let your capsule upload to eventually your waiting clone from outside your capsule.
Just like DUST troops use a command center ship to redirect a merc clone's transfer of persona, so can hypothetically your ship docked in the station's hanger be used for the same purpose.
You'd be limited by two factors: range, and quality. Range being that you need to be in range of your ship must like a DUST merc needs to be in range of his command center ship. And quality being that you're uploading a LOT more data via those DUST implants to the capsule. Rapid use (such as the frequency of respawns in DUST for the typical merc) could very easily damage the persona of the higher SP/advanced grade persona you're trying to upload.
This is what I recommend to people who want to baseline properly within the lore, who hate the whole lore-quoting godmodding attempts made by other players to make them vulnerable. Yet I also include, 'with power, comes responsibility' -make these moves to include the use of this tech only if you feel threatened by a godmodder, for you come off pretty much invincible to everyone else (and thus harder to relate to as an RPer).
There are a number of doors that can only be opened through being in a vulnerable state. |
Isis Dea
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Posted - 2013.09.21 07:01:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:If you die away from your brain-pan scanner, you die. End of story! ...
There's the Broker, but he's a mary-sue if I've ever seen one :P
See, be careful with that part. You're stating a lot of ultimatums as if the Broker truly terrifies you and upsets your concrete world of what you envision capsuleers are.
I herald from a time prior to DUST mercs ever existing, I know the feeling.
But technology evolves and capsuleers want more and more ways of being able to venture outside their capsule within the lore. Presently, there's a lot of freedom to do so, but also high potential to take a **** on the lore too.
Am trying to avoid that.
Yet an example being where I recommended the mechanics of the DUST implants. I'm not talking about the implant itself, only the vehicle aspect that allows for a wireless transfer.
Isn't it not far-fetched to say that it's possible to use the router portion ONLY from DUST implants to extend the range of the brain spike to a limited range outside the capsule? The router featured within DUST implants combined with a new (possibly illegal?) implant that features a mobile brain spike? Basicly, just a wireless connection to your capsule?
Am not trying to integrate DUST tech, am looking only to steal a component of it (for sake of helping RPers out).
And I can't find anything in the lore of DUST or EVE to suggest it wouldn't be possible.
(It would be new if so, possibly even an implant constructed by Serpentis Inquest...) |
Isis Dea
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Posted - 2013.09.22 05:34:00 -
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(double post) |
Isis Dea
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Posted - 2013.09.22 05:38:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:How many times does falcon have to say this is not possible for capsuleers?
I'm not going to bother finding all the quotes, just work your fiction around this small constraint and get over it
You mean this quote?
CCP Falcon wrote:Nova Fox wrote:I know a bunch of clones that don't need a pod to transfer consciousness, it is only matter of time for that implant starts finding its way into capsuleers. That's not going to happen. The two technologies are fundamentally incompatible.
That was never was an argument.
Please do find another quote as a vast number of the RP community are brushing this subject with the same debate. Nobody is trying to use DUST implants, only an aspect of them.
I am not prepared to tell them all they're wrong because some girl doesn't like capsuleer evolution, especially where common sense counters so easily.
Please, find another quote or I would ask you, instead, to get over it. |
Isis Dea
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Posted - 2013.09.23 18:04:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Nova Fox wrote:I know a bunch of clones that don't need a pod to transfer consciousness, it is only matter of time for that implant starts finding its way into capsuleers. That's not going to happen. The two technologies are fundamentally incompatible. CCP Falcon wrote: When you unplug from the capsule, you're just as vulnerable as any other meat-sack out there
Speak with him yourself if you need further clarification, the point is there's no getting around it. You leave the pod, you are a weak flesh bag with no second chances. Can't have it all.
Nobody is trying to have it all. And again, nobody is trying to use the DUST implant to accomplish any of this (only a reference for a future capsuleer-only implant). And there is reason to go around it as you're trying to make ultimatums about what a vast section of the RP community has been trying to play similarly to the role of The Broker as featured within the novel (one of the best feared examples of a capsuleer using their power to instigate an agenda).
In fact, technically whatever technology he used could easily be the base (or simply is the technology) we're referring to. And you troll the character because you don't like how invulnerable it makes some people.
I'm sorry, Miss Vitalia, you're right, you can't have it all.
I kindly hope a GM can clarify this and/or you can find a quote stating how The Broker is a purely fictional character and not within the EVE lore. Else I'm going to start recommending EVERYBODY start rolling out with Broker tech. |
Isis Dea
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Posted - 2013.09.24 13:19:00 -
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*sigh* I give up.
Again, never was trying to mention trying to be a DUST merc nor use the implants of. The question was always could capsuleers construct technology similar in function to extend the capsule's functions beyond the capsule.
I guess everyone literally hates the idea or cares too much about people trying to play god in their own little story lines. I'll stop bothering people now. |
Isis Dea
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Posted - 2013.09.25 05:40:00 -
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Thanks again DZ, an amazing post that clarified a ton of stuff we've been wondering about.
Some of the folks are thinking there might be a way to remote-drive bodies or use soft clones as a means to safeguard themselves in the event of baselining or venturing outside the capsule.
I don't have enough information on either field within the lore to make a further argument here though. Will make another forum topic should I stumble across where people are pulling that stuff from.
*curls up next to Silas Vitalia*
For now, I'm more than accepting. |
Isis Dea
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Posted - 2013.09.25 13:25:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:I think CONCORD frowns upon unlicensed clone tech *wags finger* While CONCORD frowns upon unlicensed capsule tech and illegal cloning, it's still rife as they have no way to regulate it outside their sphere of influence. If they did, the vast majority of pirate capsuleers, pirate faction officers and other dirty scoundrels would all be dead or in custody. I think the important thing to remember is that a little bit of artistic license is always applicable whenever you're role playing. It's not as if anyone at CCP is going to turn around and say "YOU THERE, STOP THAT IMMEDIATELY, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!". Prime fiction is there as a guide, a framework, not as a set of bars to keep you held in a cell and force your character to behave in a given way. Personally, I'm all for soft cloning and the ability to have at least some form of insurance policy outside your capsule, however that's just my personal opinion. It's never been stated outright in prime fiction that it is or is not a thing. When I was a player I wrote fiction based around that principle. My view is that anything you put together needs to emphasize the fact you're still a sack of meat and are just as vulnerable to pain as anyone else out there, regardless of whether you can be killed and spat out of a vat with a bit of memory loss and a bad headache if you get killed out of pod. No one in the right mind would put 100 percent faith in a piece of technology to keep them from dying. There's always that sliver of doubt in the back of your mind, especially with the stories of mindlocking and wetgraving that circulate. Whether you suck it up and get on with life, or worry about it is entirely down to your own character's mentality. As I said earlier in the thread, I finished putting together the tech backstory for the capsule a while ago, and while capsuleers may arrogantly regard themselves as "immortal", fundamentally they aren't. The only thing that gives them as close to an immortal existence as is possible is the technology they're hooked up to, which due to its highly sensitive nature and bulkiness is not practical to be mobile. My personal take on it is that if you were able to replicate the technology on a smaller scale that could be used anywhere by anyone, then you kind of dilute the entire purpose of the capsule and the capsuleer.
I think I see that now. I guess because I've been quite the risk taker lately and especially bold (as witnessed on the forums). I've always worried over another player (since the RP playerbase tends to think more outside the box here) taking steps to truly bait me into a situation where they kill me for good.
No more. Or at least not as frequently. |
Isis Dea
Combat Cruise Control
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Posted - 2013.09.25 15:23:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:So a capsuleer can't just remain hooked up to a hydrostatic capsule and control a cybernetic avatar/robot of themselves through a helium-4 fluid router system much like they seem to do with combat drones and thus be the ultimate puppet-master they always wanted to be?
I guess not :( |
Isis Dea
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Posted - 2013.09.25 19:20:00 -
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David Laurentson wrote: Am I wrong, or did Templar 1 imply that a Capsuleer could be killed out-of-pod and still re-awakened from a clone, but they'd lose memories between their last update and death? Or did I just hypothesise that while reading it?
That is soft clones for you, one of the technologies I'm still trying to find the article about/over. |
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